| = just another view | Anca Veronica Anghel [09.Nov.03 01:53] |
| Hi Alex. I welcome your first English posting. I have a suggestion. What you think about this change: With cold trembled shoulders I came to tell you, How I touched for the first time the shell of a snail, How I started to believe that I'm a rain thread blue vertical grown deaf by the beat of a triangled heart. | |
| = opinion | ion amariutei [09.Nov.03 14:02] |
| Aleks, *vertical red* and *triangular heart* are way too well known to be used casually. besides, it was a corny book anyway, the only verses i can remember are: *about your country/ you can only write/ with the tip of your heart* there is no such word as *triangled*, should be either *triangular* or *triangulated*. while i'm not against wordplay, i think it should be done only after thoroughly mastering a language. | |
| = language | Anca Veronica Anghel [09.Nov.03 16:48] |
| Mastering the language is important, Ion is right. But,it is also true that if you wait too much to master the language you'll never start writing or you will write very rare. Language is a matter of exercise. So keep writing, don't hesitate, the more you write the more you master. The more you wait the more you can get lost in details and finally will loose interest. | |
| = clarification | ion amariutei [09.Nov.03 18:49] |
| i was talking about *triangled* as wordplay, assuming it was intentional. i don't want to discourage him, however, since most native english speakers do in fact use the spelling/grammar tool included in ms word or email packages, so should we. | |
| = you're right | Anca Veronica Anghel [09.Nov.03 21:25] |
| I know. We should use the spell checker or the dictionary. But let it be "triangled" if Aleks wants. Next time it will be better. Let's try our comments not to be only about grammar mistakes. Let it be also about what is good. Thank you Ion for your clarification, but regarding my part, I understood from the very beginning. :) | |
| = Master... | Axel Lenn [10.Nov.03 02:59] |
| This is not a "wordplay", John. You may find IN ANY ENCYCLOPEDIC ENGLISH DICTIONARY - check out BBC's or Webster's. The verb itself is not frequently used, though "Triangled" is more common than "triangulated" or "triangular". Thought you'd like to know... | |
| = still no dice | ion amariutei [17.Nov.03 21:42] |
| a search for *triangled* on http://webster.com/ returns: The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the Dictionary search box to the right. Suggestions for triangled: 1. triangles 2. triangle 3. Triangle 4. tingled 5. triangulate 6. tryingly 7. Trinidad 8. tangled 9. trainload 10. tinkled | |
| = and one more | ion amariutei [17.Nov.03 21:49] |
| the same search on http://www.britannica.com/ returns: Sorry, we were unable to find results for your search. Please consider rephrasing your query. Expand your search on triangled with these databases... | |
| = Check these out! | Axel Lenn [17.Nov.03 22:10] |
| Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language, Gramercy Books - New York/Avenel, 1998: page 1511/MC/2nd entry. BBC English Dictionary, Harper-Collins Publishers - London, 1996: page 1207/LC/3d entry. Longman Dictionary of American English, Longman - New York, 2001: page 720/LC/10th entry. | |
| = ok | ion amariutei [17.Nov.03 22:22] |
| guess i'll have to trust you, since i don't own any of these books. it certainly doesn't look like it's *more common than "triangulated" or "triangular"* sorry, Aleks, please disregard that part of my comment. first one holds, though... | |
| = Re: ok | Axel Lenn [18.Nov.03 00:32] |
| The word we're talking about is not "general content" in any spoken language. You might look it up on the internet but not as "general content" (or common language) - you'll never find it. Try finding "lymphadenocolpohysterectomy" - I doubt you will. "Trianguled", as "lymphadenocolpohysterectomy", is "special field content", that is "terminology used in a specific field of a language" - e.g. medical, technical, mathematical, etc. There are not many UNABRIDGED/COMPLETE dictionaries 'round - o, this is where you may find such words. The books previously listed mention "triangulated" as the most used adjective to denote the characteristic of that which is shaped as a triangle in its specific fields of use (such as mathematics, architecture, technical design, astronomy, etc). The root word "triangle" is not used as general content, nor are "triangular", "triangulated" or "triangled". Hope I made myself clear this time. Aleksandar didn't make it up - that's an unreal credit you gave him. | |
| = dictionary and the real language | Anca Veronica Anghel [18.Nov.03 09:17] |
| Axel you're right. Online dictionaries are not always the best. I trust the books as all we should do. Ion buy a real English dictionary and take a look. I'm sure there is such a wide variety in New York to choose from. But I wonder why you guys don't make comments about the poem ? | |
| = Triangled, trembled.. | Iuliana Ungureanu [18.Nov.03 21:13] |
| Not only "triangled" seems wrong but also "trembled", in the very first line. Did you mean to say "trembling shoulders"? Could a rain thread be anything but vertical and blue? Seems to me like you are stating the obvious. With a bit of work it could be made into something better. | |
| = Here I am :) | Adela Popovici [15.Apr.04 15:18] |
| Shoulders shivering with cold I came to tell you the story of my first time when I touched the shell of a snail startled at the thought of being a rain thread blue vertical deafened by the beat of a triangled heart. | |
| = or even better, perhaps... | Adela Popovici [15.Apr.04 15:17] |
| ...deafened by my triangle-hearted beat. Ha? What do you say about that? :) | |